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WHY WE HAVE THESE RULES
This Policy is to maintain harmony
in our group, to promote cooperation, mutual respect and the sharing of
information so that our astrology improves. This Policy maintains
order so that disruptive elements do not interrupt the exchange of material.
WHAT TO DO IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THESE RULES
If you disagree with this list Policy:
1. Contact the moderator by private mail,
in accordance with the Complaints Procedure.
2. Do not send group or private mail, i.e.,
become a lurker.
(However, see the section
below on Lurkers.)
3. Unsubscribe and go somewhere else.
BREAKING THE LIST RULES
You may be removed from the list if you flout
the list Policy, or you will lose certain privileges.
The moderator will give members who breach
the list Policy one
warning by private mail. When the rules are broken again,
the member will face one or more of the following consequences: moderation
of their posts, losing the privilege of posting to the group for a set
time (usually a month or more), loss of membership, or permanent banning
from all of the moderator’s email lists. The moderator may choose not to
engage in a prolonged discussion or dispute on this matter. The member
will be told to follow the Complaints Procedure, and if the member follows
it adequately the moderator will take this into account concerning the
loss of privileges. In the past (1997 - 2001) the moderator has tolerated
repeated breaches of list policy by the same few members: this will not
continue. If you ignore the rules and go your own way, you will face the
MODERATION OF POSTS
Members may have their posts moderated. This
means that what you submit is subject to the moderator’s approval. You
may or may not get a rejection notice or an explanation of why it was not
acceptable, other than to be referred to our list Policy and Complaints
Procedure. Sometimes the entire list is moderated.
THE MODERATOR’S JOB
The moderator is also the list owner and his
job is to restrict disruptive elements, curtail or settle disputes that
arise, maintain respect and keep a positive atmosphere among members. If
you have a complaint, follow the Complaints Procedure, or if you are unwilling
to do this then either unsubscribes or leave everyone alone and become
a lurker. The moderator has little tolerance for rude or disrespectful
language via group or private mail. If you cannot see the logic behind
this Policy and the Complaints Procedure, you will probably perceive the
moderator as a dictator with a hunger for power and control. If you understand,
you will see that the aim is for harmony and the advancement of our form
Disrespectful, impolite, or rude language is
not to be used on this list. Do not discuss sensitive issues such as politics,
religion or cultural differences in a disrespectful manner. Disruptive
members will be removed permanently. This is not a usual problem on this
list, but it has happened. It seems that about 1 or 2 in a 100 members
will at sometime act immaturely and selfishly. Please notify the
moderator of such occurrences and include the offending items. The
moderator has little tolerance for those who disrupt the list through impolite,
disrespectful, egotistic or immature behaviour. If you are subjected to
a personal attack or other unpleasant language, follow the Complaints Procedure.
DISPUTES AND DISRESPECTFUL LANGUAGE
All members involved in disharmonious exchanges
will have their mail automatically moderated, or will be removed from the
list. Usually this refers to group posts, but may also apply to private
letters sent to the moderator, or possibly private letters sent by a member
to others on the list that cause group disharmony. A 'right of reply' to
continue the dispute by group mail is NOT allowed. Members must follow
the Complaints Procedure. The moderator has the final say in such matters
and may decide not to enter into discussion with those involved. The moderator
will also, in most cases, be open to considerations of each disputant's
views, and will (if he has time) try to understand the reasons for the
dispute. Usually the moderator will end all discussion related to
the dispute until the situation has been clarified and settled, then will
issue a final comment. Be warned: the moderator has a low tolerance level
for disruptive letters, so heed this advice!!
WHAT TO DO IF YOU ARE CRITICISED OR FEEL
UNFAIRLY TREATED VIA GROUP MAIL
Follow the Complaints Procedure.
Do not continue by group post.
You do not have a right of reply via group post.
TOPICS TO AVOID
Contentious issues such as politics, religion,
ethnicity, etc. are not to be discussed (in a disrespectful and disruptive
manner.) These topics can be presented in a factual, respectful manner
but be sure to include substantial astrology.
LANGUAGE TO AVOID
Arrogance, pontificating, patronizing, disrespect,
anger, personal attacks, character defamation, egotism, sarcasm, snide
remarks, etc. This sort of behaviour will not be tolerated and consequently
members will be prevented from posting or will be removed from the list.
This applies to group posts as well as private letters to the moderator.
Debates, criticism and disagreement can be posted,
but it must be done in a respectful manner. Please be sensible. The moderator
actually encourages debates since they are interesting and stimulate further
ADVERTISING: YES, BUT…
Unlike other lists, you may advertise on Steve
Lee’s lists with the following qualifications:
It should be related to the aims of our group,
or at least material that is of a high standard (obviously no Sun sign
nonsense, etc.). No “click here to make me money” URLs, such as with Amazon.com.
Conferences and workshops are acceptable, even if not directly related
to our aims. If you include a URL, give a short explanation of what the
web site is about. The advertising may be either directly or indirectly
related to astrology (an indirect example would be astronomical software).
If in doubt, check with the moderator first.
CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE
If you want to change the topic, also change
the Subject line. This is one of the most common complaints on email lists,
and reflects a certain laziness or inconsiderate nature of the person who
makes the post. When the Subject line does not match the topic of the post,
it causes confusion, especially when searching through the Archives of
These are generally not read because email readers
like to do things fast, quickly skimming from post to post. Consider breaking
your post up, or inserting topic headings within your post. Long paragraphs
should be broken up.
LISTS OF PLANETARY PICTURES
Include interpretations, even if they are brief.
If you simply copy what your computer spits out, and paste long lists into
a group post, there will be few members who will bother with your post.
In other words, avoid lots of abbreviations and planetary lists unless
you also add explanations in plain English language.
BRIEF NON-ASTROLOGICAL NOTES, CHIT-CHAT, JOKES,
POEMS AND “ME-TOO’S”
Not on this list. Your post must contain substantial
material - not necessarily long and complex, but some astrological reference
is needed. Ask yourself: “Does everyone on the list need to read this?”
If the answer is “No”, then just send it by private mail ! “Me-too’s”
are those annoying posts that say “I agree with you”, or “Nice post, you
have great ideas”, “My Sun is in Cancer also!” - etc. Not on this
list - please!
If you do not want your post put on another list,
clearly state this at the top or bottom of your post. Generally group posts
are subject to placement on the Symmetrical Astrology web site, with your
email address removed. The moderator supports freedom of the Internet and
sharing of information, but posts and other material on our two web sites
may NOT be copied into a publication or another web site without permission
from the moderator and acknowledgment of the sources (author and site).
When posting material you did not personally write, please include the
source and give credit where credit is due. Most email list members do
not mind if you resend their post somewhere else, but this is not always
the case; it is up to you to use your judgement, but as a guide, if the
author of the post is well-known and gives a significant amount of material
then you should ask permission from the author as well as the list moderator.
Our Archive of group posts is not accessible to the public and therefore
is not (contrary to what some people believe) ‘owned’ by YahooGroups with
INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE
The post that you are responding to (unless you
start an original topic) should be included, marked with the “>” symbols
at the left margin. Do not include the entire post if it is long, and then
add a sentence or two. Be neat, be smart, be tidy. Watch the formatting.
Leave adequate space and do not squash your data together in a jumbled
mess. Leave just enough of the message you are responding to convey the
essence of the idea and make your reply understandable. For example, including
an entire 200 line post in your reply and writing one sentence of your
own should be avoided.
SPELL THE MONTH - NO MONTH NUMERALS
Since Americans use Month-Day-Year, most other
countries use Day-Month-Year, and Chinese use Year-Month-Day, we all need
to spell out the month. Thus: 11 September 2001, or 11 Sept ’01,
and not 11-9-01 or 9-11-01.
YAHOO LIST RESPONSIBILITIES IN GENERAL
It is a requirement that all members are familiar
with and can use all options on the YahooGroups web site (this is the site,
or server, that distributes our group posts. You must register, read the
user-friendly Help information, and become familiar with the options. If
you problems, read the FAQ’s, use the Yahoo help desk, or ask another group
member - but not the moderator.
YAHOO MEMBER RESPONSIBILITY # 1
Please keep a record of how to subscribe,
unsubscribe and to get a digest of group posts. Be sure to visit
the YahooGroups web site at yahoogroups.com You
will need to register first (quick and easy) so that member services can
be accessed. This is a REQUIREMENT: you need to be able to access YahooGroups
services for our group. To UNSUBSCRIBE from our group, send an email
to: midpoints101- email@example.com You can also unsubscribe
by simply clicking on the "subscription options" line at the top of each
group post. For other groups: see the "footer" at the bottom of each
YAHOO MEMBER RESPONSIBILITY # 2
You may opt for 'web only' posts, which
mean that you can still be a member but will not be sent emails. In this
way, you can view group posts on our yahoogroups site. This option
can be changed at any time and is often useful for times when you are on
holidays or otherwise away from your home computer. If
you change your email address, or have problems receiving group mail, or
have questions or difficulties with yahoogroups, <please> go to
yahoogroups.com and read the information - there are many useful
tips and explanations! Please do not contact the moderator (or the
entire group!) if you want to change your email address or to change delivery
options; you must do this yourself. After you have thoroughly studied the
yahoogroups pages, and if you still experience difficulty, then contact
the moderator via private mail. Thank you.
YAHOO MEMBER RESPONSIBILITY # 3
You may opt for a daily digest instead of individual
emails, or you can choose to read group posts on the web only. You can
also change your email address. It is all there on YahooGroups, so don’t
ask the moderator to do this for you.
YAHOO MEMBER RESPONSIBILITY # 4
At the bottom of every group post is a “footer”.
Read this and follow what it says. At the top of every post is a line that
says: [Double-click this line for list subscription options] -
A GENERAL RESPONSIBILITY - COMPUTER COMPETENCY
You are expected "to be a reasonably competent
internet user", which means that, e.g. you know how: to alter the
Subject line to fit the content of your post, to change the "To:" line
from group mail to a private post, to copy and paste a URL, to cope with
"404 Error" messages, etc. If you need help, ask a list member, your
neighbour’s high school computer whiz, do a computer course, or read the
many help pages on the Net. In other words, do not ask for basic help from
the moderator and do not disrupt our list by doing something stupid.
THE FOCUS OF OUR GROUP - MIDPOINTS 101
The aim of this group is to discuss the basic
techniques of "Symmetrical Astrology" - Uranian, The Hamburg School, Cosmobiology,
Midpoints, including the works of Witte and Ebertin. This group is
for beginners and teachers of this level. Our associated email list is
"Symmetrical Astrology", for more advanced techniques. You are encouraged
to ask questions on Midpoints 101. If you do not know where to start,
just go to the Symmetrical Astrology web site. If you are a new member
and you do not see any mail from this group, keep in mind that we have
a low volume of mail, but there are hundreds of good posts for you to read
in our Archive of mail. Do not post complex or difficult material on this
list. Special notes: this list is not exclusively Uranian; you do not need
to use the Transneptunian Points; Cosmobiology is part of our group; Asteroids
are acceptable - in moderation.
THE FOCUS OF OUR GROUP - SYMMETRICAL ASTROLOGY
The aim of this group is to discuss the basic
techniques of "Symmetrical Astrology" - Uranian, The Hamburg School, Cosmobiology,
Midpoints, Halfsums, including the works of Witte and Ebertin. This
group is for experience astrologers who have adequate resources. You do
not need to be an ‘expert’ but you do need to have a good foundation of
Uranian or Cosmobiological techniques. Do not post basic material
on this list unless it relates to a topic being discussed (use Midpoints
101 for simple items). Special notes: this list is not exclusively Uranian;
you do not need to use the Transneptunian Points; Cosmobiology is part
of our group; Asteroids are acceptable - in moderation.
GO TO OUR TWO WEB SITES
It is a requirement that you carefully explore
our two web sites. The URL-addresses for these sites are found at the bottom
of every group post: OUR WEB SITES: http://junojuno2.tripod.com/
http://www.yahoogroups.com/ (register first).
Don’t proliferate this rubbish. Check the validity
of the virus warning, special offer, health risk, etc. - before you send
it to other people. Some people try to excuse themselves by explaining
“I just wanted to be sure, just in case…” - but this only underlines their
irresponsible behaviour. The following sites have information on
HOW TO POST QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS
When asking basic questions, it is a good idea
to investigate both of our web sites first. Please do this! While
Midpoints 101 is for beginner's, avoid simplistic posts: e.g. "Which books
are good? What does the Ascendant mean?" MANY basic questions are already
answered for you on my Symmetrical Astrology web site: you are expected
to at least read the material for beginners. The site's search engine is
good for research; you will need at least a version 4 web browser for the
search engine on my site to be enabled. Our yahoogroups site also has its
own search facility.
Do NOT send personal messages via group mail.
This particularly applies to brief messages. Before you send your email,
look at the 'Send to' address and ask yourself if it is necessary
that all members read your post! Please help us keep this list free
of unnecessary clutter. Do NOT send "me too" responses. These
brief notes only clutter ups our mailboxes. This includes brief "thank
you" notes. If you really want to send such notes, do it by private
mail direct to the person concerned - and not via group post....
or include some astrology or other substantial material.
This can posted if it is relevant to a
topic being discussed, but you must give a reason for posting the material,
i.e. include at least a few sentences at the top of your post with your
explanation. Do not simply copy a news item from a web site and post it.
Include a relevant Subject line.
All members are expected to contribute to the
group posts. If you want to lurk (remain hidden and not post), this is
fine as long as you send at least one post per year. If you do not send
a group post (that complies with our group Policy) within 12 months, then
you may be removed from the list. This is a new requirement as of October
DO EXPERTS HAVE A ‘SPECIAL STATUS’?
Often when a person has considerable knowledge
and is either considered an expert by others or themselves, they believe
that they can ignore the list rules. They place themselves above others
and arrogantly believe that they have the right to criticise others in
a disrespectful manner. All members must follow the list rules and face
the consequences if they flout list Policy. However, when a knowledgeable
and experienced member has significantly contributed to the group, especially
in a helpful, kind manner, then in this case the moderator will take this
into consideration and may ‘bend the rules’ - but only a little, and for
a short time. This can be seen as ‘favouritism’ or ‘giving special treatment’
in an unfair manner. Members should know that only some latitude would
be given to an expert who has contributed significant material to the list,
and that in most cases they will be treated the same as all other members.
The moderator often spends a great deal of time dealing with expert astrologers
who behave arrogantly, like prima donnas, and this can be very exasperating
because of their rude, self-centred attitude. When demands are made, rules
are repeatedly broken, improper language used, etc. - the moderator will
- with any member, no matter how experienced - impose the consequences
of preventing them from posting or removing them from the group.
If you do NOT have basic knowledge of astrology,
or are just beginning your astrological studies, you should not be on this
list. You need a firm foundation of the basics to be a member. Refer to
the Aims and Focus of our group.
THE BOTTOM LINE
If you are unable to change your way of communicating
so that it meets this list Policy, then please unsubscribe. If you use
language that is arrogant, rude, disrespectful, impolite, etc., then you
are not welcome here. This applies mainly to group mail but also to private
posts to the moderator or to members so that it causes group disharmony.
You should find a list that allows you to express yourself the way you
want, how you want, when you want, without taking other’s feelings into
account. But before you go, please consider the following sentence:
While not every person will feel content with our List Policy and Complaints
Procedure, the majority understand that these guidelines exist to enable
the free exchange of information, mutual respect and international cooperation.
If you are willing to engage in friendly discussion, with an open heart
and mind, and a willingness to share and assist others on their astrological,
personal and spiritual journey, then please stay with us. We need you.
See also the Complaints Procedure at: http://junojuno2.tripod.com/complaints.html
The moderator welcomes constructive
comments on our Policy.
Your views are important.
A sincere "Thank you" to all
members who have co-operated in a positive manner.
Your contribution is valuable
and much appreciated.
16 October 2001